Rape of the Earth

Mark Lynas, once famous for throwing a pie in the face of Bjorn Lomborg while crying “Pies not lies!” has made the headlines and kept the twittersphere a-boiling for much of the past 10 days with this amazing talk detailing his conversion from dark-green eco-vandal to neo-green pro-GE eco-pragmatist.

Dubbed as one of the greatest environmental mea culpa’s ever, and possibly a game-changer in the public debate on genetic engineering, Lynas bravely throws up his hands to say that rarest of things in the context of such a high-profile and contentious issue: I was wrong. Not just a little bit, but completely and diametrically wrong:

I want to start with some apologies. For the record, here and upfront, I apologise for having spent several years ripping up GM crops. I am also sorry that I helped to start the anti-GM movement back in the mid 1990s, and that I thereby assisted in demonising an important technological option which can be used to benefit the environment.

As an environmentalist, and someone who believes that everyone in this world has a right to a healthy and nutritious diet of their choosing, I could not have chosen a more counter-productive path. I now regret it completely.

Lynas says that the anti-GE movement he helped to start “was the most successful campaign I have ever been involved with” but that

This was also explicitly an anti-science movement. We employed a lot of imagery about scientists in their labs cackling demonically as they tinkered with the very building blocks of life. Hence the Frankenstein food tag – this absolutely was about deep-seated fears of scientific powers being used secretly for unnatural ends. What we didn’t realise at the time was that the real Frankenstein’s monster was not GM technology, but our reaction against it.

As someone who has myself followed something of this, if not well-trodden then at least by now clearly visible path across the environmental divide, what is perhaps most interesting is his thoughtful comments on how this change of thinking came about, as described in an 2011 interview with Keith Kloor:

Well, life is nothing if not a learning process. As you get older you tend to realize just how complicated the world is and how simplistic solutions don’t really work… There was no “Road to Damascus” conversion, where there’s a sudden blinding flash and you go, “Oh, my God, I’ve got this wrong.” There are processes of gradually opening one’s mind and beginning to take seriously alternative viewpoints, and then looking more closely at the weight of the evidence.

It remains to be seen of course just how much of a game-changer Lynas’ speech will be; but one response from the anti-GE movement has rightfully caused outrage:

Comparing freedom for farmers to grow GE crops which might “contaminate” organic farmers – itself a bogus concept- - is vile and demeaning to the victims of rape, all the more so given the current appalling story of gang-rape in Shiva’s own capital New Delhi;

but evokes of course the much more general condemnation of industrial society, and industrial farming: the rape of the earth.
In lengthy discussions on twitter, at least one “Dark Green” – Deep Ecologist Paul Kingsnorth- felt the comparison in this case might be defensible:

This image of environmental destruction as rape of Mother Earth no doubt has a lengthy pedigree;
Kingsnorth has used the metaphor himself in the past:

For almost fifteen years I’ve been doing what I can to prevent the ongoing rape of nature, and to urgently question the values and the structure of the society that is responsible for it.

But yes, of course it is much worse; there are many obvious harms that have have resulted from anti-GE activism, which quite plausibly have indeed caused unnecessary deaths, plausibly large numbers of deaths from hunger, in just the same way that the anti-vaccine movement causes deaths and the de facto ban on DDT caused and most likely continues to cause deaths, by delaying or obstructing the implementation of a technology that could help people.

Steve Savge has a very good post here outlining just how damaging the anti-GE movement has been:

There is a long and growing list of agricultural, environmental, and health improvement that “could have been” if the anti-GMO movement had not been so effective. Some of these are only “nice to haves” like a fine wine. Some of them are significant advances such as potatoes that ward off their major insect and virus pests. Some of them are things like wheat which is less likely to have mycotoxin contamination. Some of them are things that could enable poor farmers to produce more local food with less need for inputs or more resistance to environmental stresses.

There is one thing I disagree with Savage on however: he repeats the meme of anti-GMO activists are equivalent to climate change “deniers”:

What Mark Lynas realized is that it is just as detrimental to the future of humanity to ignore the scientific consensus on crop biotechnology as it is to ignore the scientific consensus on climate change. The fact that there are groups successfully blocking rational action on both these fronts presents a synergistically dire threat to efforts to feed humanity.

I’ve written several posts on this topic at the end of last year. I think it is a mistake to conflate anti-GE activism with climate “deniers”; more, they should be equated with climate alarmists- they share the same agenda, of stifling innovation and progress in the name of preserving an idealised version of Nature. The difference is in the policy: using bad science to oppose “action on climate change” is unlikely to have done any real harm- the issue is, what action should be taken to prevent climate change? And there is no clear answer to this, as is evident from the fact that many who shout the loudest share anti-GE sentiments and even more absurdly, often vehement opposition to the main low-carbon fuel source that could really replace fossil fuels, nuclear power.

There is a problem here, because use of the word “rape” in this context against supporters of GE crops has its parallel in the use of the word “denier” to discredit those who question, not the science of climate change- something far, far less tangible and certain than that of genetic engineering- but the policy responses, which all too often seem to be ineffective even in their own terms, like Kyoto.

And this is an unfortunate error that Mark Lynas has himself been guilty of, while at the same time being called a “Chernobyl death-denier” himself by his previous green colleagues.

Since the anti-GE activists like Shiva routinely lie, misrepresent the evidence and fear-monger in order to sway public opinion to their side, while there seems little evidence of even exaggerated claims on the side of those who want freedom to use the technology and benefit from its advantages, Kingsnorth seems to be clearly defending Shiva and her noxious propaganda.

The tweet above from Kingsnorth was part of an extended exchange spurred by discussion of his blog on Dark Ecology.

In this piece, Kingsnorth gives a not entirely unsympathetic appraisal of the Unabomber Ted Kaczynski, wrapped in lengthy eulogy to his scythe.

and then goes on to say:

I’VE RECENTLY BEEN reading the collected writings of Theodore Kaczynski. I’m worried that it may change my life. Some books do that, from time to time, and this is beginning to shape up as one of them.

It’s not that Kaczynski, who is a fierce, uncompromising critic of the techno-industrial system, is saying anything I haven’t heard before. I’ve heard it all before, many times. By his own admission, his arguments are not new. But the clarity with which he makes them, and his refusal to obfuscate, are refreshing. I seem to be at a point in my life where I am open to hearing this again. I don’t know quite why.

Here are the four premises with which he begins the book:

1. Technological progress is carrying us to inevitable disaster.
2. Only the collapse of modern technological civilization can avert disaster.
3. The political left is technological society’s first line of defense against revolution.
4. What is needed is a new revolutionary movement, dedicated to the elimination of technological society.

Maybe it’s what scientists call “confirmation bias,” but I’m finding it hard to muster good counterarguments to any of them, even the last. I say “worryingly” because I do not want to end up agreeing with Kaczynski. There are two reasons for this.

Firstly, if I do end up agreeing with him—and with other such critics I have been exploring recently, such as Jacques Ellul and D. H. Lawrence and C. S. Lewis and Ivan Illich—I am going to have to change my life in quite profound ways. Not just in the ways I’ve already changed it (getting rid of my telly, not owning a credit card, avoiding smartphones and e-readers and sat-navs, growing at least some of my own food, learning practical skills, fleeing the city, etc.), but properly, deeply. I am still embedded, at least partly because I can’t work out where to jump, or what to land on, or whether you can ever get away by jumping, or simply because I’m frightened to close my eyes and walk over the edge.

I’ve got news for you Mr. Kingsnorth, and anyone else who is suffering from this kind of post-modern confusion and a vague sense of eco-guilt and the inevitable contradictions it brings: you will never be able to work out where to jump, you will never “walk over the edge” because you will never want to give up the benefits of the modern world, even though there has certainly been a cost to gaining them. This is because the benefits far outweigh the costs. Modern living really is far preferable on most counts to the bucolic human-scale past that Kingsnorth (reluctantly) fesses up to yearning for, because that past never existed.

Kingsnorth’s second reason for not wanting to end up agreeing with Kaczynski is rather elusive in his clumsy style but seems to be something to do with the idea that the modern world with all its technology is de-humanising, while the gentle swish-swish of the scythe helps us connect in a more wholesome way to ourselves and to nature; what he appears to suggest is that he fears becoming so de-humanised by what he sees as the rape of the earth, by the machine age, the age of scientism and reductionism, that, were he actually to end up agreeing with Kaczynski he might actually find himself driven to the same level of inhuman acts that propelled Kazcynski to murder.

With recent bombing attacks on physicists in Mexico, we should not take the threat of Kazcynski-style responses to this way of thinking lightly.

But in his eulogizing of the scythe, in his moral confusion over what might be worse- the acquiescence to the logic of science, or the futile acts of revenge through terror- Kingsnorth simply slops around in the same quagmire that the entire environmental movement has been suffering from, because he is right in one sense, that there really is no way out. Not because the digital age has got such a grip on us- the “dependency” of the oil age which we are so often warned of- but because to reject technology in this way must also mean rejecting the very essence of being human.

While Kingsnorth laments the de-humanising elements of technology, he ignores the fact that not only is a lot of technology also humanizing- by providing more secure supplies of food and more effective medicine to give only the most obvious examples, providing much longer life-spans and much lower infant mortality- but that technology in facts defines what it means to be human. Technology is what separates us from other animals. While some animal species do indeed have the ability to utilize remarkable technology, humans appear unique in their ability to continually innovate.

Kingsnorth names Brian Clegg as one of the green heretics with an ‘almost religious attitude towards the scientific method.’ Clegg replies:

It is science and technology that has made it possible for Paul Kingsnorth to eulogise endlessly about the wonders of handling a scythe. If his life depended on wielding it 12 hours a day, he would not have a romantic view of it, he would come to hate it. He would have, of course, no laptop to write his article on – and no audience for his writing – he would not have the time, the finances, the energy or the opportunity to do anything other than scrabble for survival.

Kingsnorth nearly gets there in his rambling post but doesnt quite manage to ask himself the obvious questions: what is to stop his even more retro-primitivist colleagues from coming up to him and saying, “You can’t use that new-fangled scythe! Nor can you even grow the new-fangled crop varieties you are scything!” Anarcho-primitivists surely would not stoop so low as to use metal; they prefer flint-knapping, or fashioning tools from bones. More to the point, the scythe is a potent symbol of farming- a “novel and new” technology that has lead to an inevitable de-humanisation. We should never have made that transition to farming and left behind the more natural and human-scale economy of the hunter-gatherer. The scythe has been around since the advent of farming- in other words he claims since the dawn of civilisation- which discounts of course the 90% of human history when we lived as hunter-gatherers. Kingsnorth and his scythe are nothing but a fraud, a sell-out to the Great Gods of Progress.

Why, in a word, could it not also be said- using Kingsnorth’s and Shiva’s own “logic”, in their own terms -:

Scything is a rape of the Earth.

Lynas already alludes to this point when referring to a comment which he said had a profound effect on him:

Obviously this contradiction was untenable. What really threw me were some of the comments underneath my final anti-GM Guardian article. In particular one critic said to me: so you’re opposed to GM on the basis that it is marketed by big corporations. Are you also opposed to the wheel because because it is marketed by the big auto companies?

Humans became human when they first developed technology and then innovated and improved on that technology. To this extent, though the rate of change has increased dramatically since the industrial age, the scythe and genetic engineering have much in common: human artifacts designed to reap a return, to better our lives and stave off the tyranny of Nature. It is there, in the natural world that the Grim Reaper finds his greatest returns and easiest pickings; it is through technology and innovation that we hold him at bay.

Bernie Mooney writes a great post about Shiva, calling her a “Brahmin in Shudra clothing”:

She also may not be the socialist darling the western left thinks she is. Her insistence on a return to traditional ways, or “local ways of knowing” is very much more in tune with right-wing Hindu nationalism than socialism. It means a return to the feudal and caste system of the past, which rather than help impoverished people, will harm them. It will only help the land-owning elite. Basically she wants a return to the status quo of her Brahmin, landowning youth, except with women in charge.

In his talk Lynas refers to the anti-GE demonstration by activists at Rothamsted Research last year; the crops were thankfully saved, and supported by a good turn-out of supporters who did not want the scientific trials destroyed; but

One intruder did manage to scale the fence, however, who turned out to be the perfect stereotypical anti-GM protestor – an old Etonian aristocrat whose colourful past makes our Oxford local Marquess of Blandford look like the model of responsible citizenry.

Both Shiva and Kingsnorth (who worked on the Ecologist under another Etonian, Zac Golsmith) are very much in the same tradition: elitist environmentalists from the upper classes, who have a touch of misanthropy about them combined with strands of Nature Worship. They draw their ideologies more from the pre-WWII traditions of the eugenics movement in the UK and the obsession with purity of soil, land and race of Steiner and the founders of the organics movement.

This ugly form of traditional greenery lamentably still has great influence, hearkening back to feudal times, taking a snobbish look at the hoi-poloi, and working for a brand of conservationism that strives for an idyllic view of unspoilt Nature for the elite and keeping the poor in their rustic poverty.

Let’s hope that Lynas’ talk has helped us move away from them.

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  1. Wow, that’s an epic weaving of the threads of the last couple of weeks into a whole. I hadn’t connected it back to the pre-WWII stuff. That’s an even creepier layer to this. And I didn’t expect I could get any more creeped about about the dark and violent rhetoric.

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  2. Nicely said, Graham. I agree (and my confirmation bias is noted). Though, I take modest and quite minor issue with the inference that the warmistas have not harmed the poor in the way the anti-GE crowd has. Let me take this (out of context perhaps, but it jumped out to me), “…using bad science to oppose “action on climate change” is unlikely to have done any real harm…”

    By seeing the melting of snows in Africa on Mt Kilimanjaro and Mt Elgon and attributing the cause to anthropogenic global warming and the cure to having windmills, we ignore the poverty/deforestation that is the root cause. I agree with the Bjorn Lomborg that the AGW crowd want to feel good rather than do good. “Over the past four decades, the U.N.’s concern for ‘green’ issues has moved ever closer to the fashionable concerns of rich Westerners and away from the legitimate concerns of the overwhelming majority of the earth’s people.”

    As that evil right-wing think tank, CFACT notes “Energy poverty means a life without the nutrition, health care, refrigeration, jobs, information and education the rest of us take for granted.  Without electricity, foraging for food and fuel leads to deforestation and pressures wildlife.” They note that “the burning of wood, charcoal, dung and other solid fuels” kills an estimated 1-2 million of these poor people every year from respiratory diseases.

    Add in well fed westerners turning food into fuel (to combat climate change) and the affect on the poor increases. Lomborg notes, “[B]iofuel production is now consuming 40 percent of the U.S. corn harvest, even though it supplies only 4 percent of the transport fuel used in America. Around the world, the turn to biofuel crops is resulting in higher food prices—and hence increased hunger. And as farmers expand their agricultural land, they cut down more forests, which perversely could lead to an overall increase in CO2 emissions.”

    The climate consensus surely hurts people living at the subsistence level. The only card the AGW crowd holds is that of future apocalypse. When that proves to be weak, they will move on to another horror with misanthropic/Malthusian consequences.

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    • Hi Norm, no I think you mis-read me- I totally agree. I was responding to the claim that bad science vis-a-vis climate change- so-called “deniers” – have done as much harm as anti-GMO activists; I think the latter have done much more harm, as have climate alarmists- so I think we agree :)

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  3. Graham, one your very best pieces. I’m saddened though by the moral and ethical decline of Vandana Shiva – I met her a couple of times in the 1980′s once at a conference about vegetarianism and once at the Schumacher lectures in Bristol. It seems that, much like Satish Kumar, she has started to believe she is a Gurus and has swapped thoughtful inclusivity for a brand of environmetalism bordering on Ecofascism.

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  4. Annie Hall

     /  January 17, 2013

    I just read a really plausible novel called The Prophesy Gene. The main charaters uncover many unintended genetic mutations as a result of the 1980s Aral Sea environmental disaster in Central Asia and the accidental release of a genetically modified strain of anthrax. The author makes a pretty scary claim that mankind is stifling its own evolution by premeditated and accidental genetic engineering and mutations because we can’t possibly understand all of the consequences to ecosystems and dormant genetic sites and the food chain when we monkey with this stuff. For example, some people eat oxen that have gazed on mutated vegetation and their digestive systems irreparably stop working. Or some dangerous fungus that humans eradicate because it causes disease but they don’t realize that it also sequesters carbon dioxide and could reverse global warming. But the best one is that if it wasn’t for scientist’s genetic meddling, humans might one day evolve senses that bats and sharks have like hunting by their internal sonar or the ability that butterflies and some birds have to navigate by the earth’s magnetic field. The book is by Stuart Schooler. His website is http://www.stuartschooler.com and there is a link to a blog and a YouTube video at: http://vimeo.com/53365895.

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    • Interesting. But plausible?

      humans might one day evolve senses that bats and sharks have like hunting by their internal sonar or the ability that butterflies and some birds have to navigate by the earth’s magnetic field.

      we have had these capabilities already for decades, through technology of course; Im not sure it is plausible for us to evolve these, as there is no selection pressure for them; but we might develop them through transhumanist technology.

      But the rest of it sounds like scare-mongering as you imply:

      The author makes a pretty scary claim that mankind is stifling its own evolution by premeditated and accidental genetic engineering and mutations because we can’t possibly understand all of the consequences to ecosystems and dormant genetic sites and the food chain when we monkey with this stuff.

      We’ve been monkeying with “nature” ever since we stopped… being monkeys ;) As soon as we started rolling wheels, they started to come off and it all went down hill (sorry!).
      Farming was the big one of course, we had already geo-engineered vast areas of the planet and the atmosphere long before the industrial era. In the era of science we have far more understanding of our effect on things than most people realise, and an ability to monitor and test which was simply non-existent before. But it is very easy to cash in on fear. (Not that I’m opposed to scary films and books! Not so good if it affects policy though.)

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    • I’m reminded of when Michael Crichton wrote Jurassic Park, he “worried that people would reject the idea of creating a dinosaur as absurd. Nobody did, not even scientists…a Congressman announced he was introducing legislation to ban research leading to the creation of a dinosaur. I held my breath, but my hopes were dashed. Someone whispered in his ear that it couldn’t be done.

      “But even so, the belief lingers. Reporters would ask me, ‘When you were doing research on Jurassic Park, did you visit real biotech labs?’ No, I said, why would I? They didn’t know how to make a dinosaur. And they don’t.”

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  5. Tom

     /  January 27, 2013

    “Humans became human when they first developed technology and then innovated and improved on that technology…that technology in facts defines what it means to be human.”
    Really, Graham? Because, as you point out, we aren’t the only species to get a good grasp of technology. Not only that but for over 2.5 million years we ‘failed’ to (or decided not to) innovate on the most primitive stone tools. It’s only with the rise of symbolism and civilization, the minority of our time as a species, that we really see this “improvement” you speak of. But don’t let the archaeological record rain on your Progress parade :P

    “While Kingsnorth laments the de-humanising elements of technology, he ignores the fact that not only is a lot of technology also humanizing- by providing more secure supplies of food and more effective medicine to give only the most obvious examples, providing much longer life-spans and much lower infant mortality”

    The argument being put forward by Kaczynski, Kingsnorth and others, is rarely that technology is ALL bad, but more that the humanizing side of technology is outweighed by the side which destroys natural ecosystems and isolates humans from each other and the natural world. Couple this with the assertion that the overwhelming bad comes hand-in-hand with the sometimes good (atomic power/nuclear weapons is a good example) and you’ve got a potent anti-tech argument.

    “because you will never want to give up the benefits of the modern world, even though there has certainly been a cost to gaining them. This is because the benefits far outweigh the costs. Modern living really is far preferable on most counts to the bucolic human-scale past that Kingsnorth (reluctantly) fesses up to yearning for, because that past never existed.”

    See my point above regarding benefits outweighing costs or vice versa. Also, you should read, for example, The Art of Not Being Governed by James Scott which shows communities deciding to give up literacy/numeracy/links with the state/technology in south-east Asia. Historically there has been mass abandonment of the supposed “benefits” of civilized life, all over the world, and to assert that this never happens is disingenuous.

    Anyway, thanks for another thought provoking blog, always a pleasure to read (even though I disagree with the values underlying most of it).

    Your friendly local anarcho-primitivist.

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    • The Scott book could be an interesting counter-example; but a much more compelling one that you surprisingly fail to mention, and which is far harder for the deluded techno-optimists with their hubristic mantra of “Progress! Progress!” to answer is the early-21st Century phenomena which saw vast numbers of anarcho-primitivists from privileged middle-class backgrounds voluntarily give up modern technology, throw away their computers, revert to hunter-gathering and vastly improve their lifestyles by cutting life expectancy in half and increasing infant mortality about a hundred fold. The only reason we dont hear more about them is because they aren’t on Twitter any more, which is too bad really, there is so much we could learn from them about flint-napping and the like.

      Modern anatomical humans are only considered to be about 200,000 yrs old; before then, our ancestors included various kinds of now extinct primates and other mammals, lizards, reptiles, fish, amoebas and single-celled organisms, all of whom seem to have got on perfectly well for hundreds of millions of years without developing technology. Nevertheless, there may have been at least one much older innovation that was a necessary precondition for the modern human and their technology- cooking with fire, allowing the development of a much larger brain.

      One theory for which there is a good bit of evidence is that the Neanderthals were ultimately forced into extinction, partly with some help from us, but largely because they lost the technology race: modern humans evolved away from a common lineage, and it was indeed their ability to innovate- in combination for sure with more complex language and imagery – that gave us the competitive advantage and did for the Neanderthals, who had the technology of the flint knife, but never learned to innovate or specialise and trade: it was these three things that lead to the continual progress that is the mark of our species.

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      • “One theory for which there is a good bit of evidence is that the Neanderthals were ultimately forced into extinction, partly with some help from us, but largely because they lost the technology race…”

        And one big reason Neanderthals lost the technology race: they did not trade as did Homo sapiens. The first type of trade HS had that Neanderthals did not, is the sexual division of labor still seen in today’s hunter-gather societies (men hunt for protein, women & children gather starches). Matt Ridley points this out in The Rational Optimist, ‘Steven Kuhn and Mary Stiner think that modern, African-origin Homo sapiens had a sexual division of labour and Neanderthals did not’. Since they did not trade, Neanderthals also were “buy local” types. The Neanderthals’ “stone tools were virtually always made from raw material available within an hour’s walk of where the tool was used.” Whereas others sourced better materials from elsewhere (often hundreds of miles distant) for their technology. Trade gave Homo sapiens the edge.

        Globalisation killed the Neanderthals.

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      • “…to innovate or specialise and trade: it was these three things that lead to the continual progress that is the mark of our species.”

        Agree wholeheartedly. But, I think trade is first among those equals. Without trade specialisation and innovation happen quite slowly or, I suspect, not at all.

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  6. I’ve been alerted recently, Graham, to your clumsy and curiously anti-scientific (assuming that by that ‘science’ we mean a serach, and a respect, for facts) writing here. Rather like my old mucker Mark Lynas, your claims to be ‘rational’ and ‘pragmatic’ are undermined in short order by your dishonest and furious straw man attacks on anyone you disagree with; which usually mean people espousing ideas you used to espouse yourself. Honestly, it’s like reading the diary of a born-again non-smoker.

    Anyway: I’ve been having a read, and I’ve no intention of getting drawn in, because I’ve seen the mess that ensues. But it might be worth pointing out, for the benefit of others who may want to read my essay, that I am not a ‘green’ (that’s rather the point); that I don’t ‘romanticise the past’ (the essay is, amongst other things, an explicit rejection of that tendency); that I acknowledge, as you say, that ‘a scythe is a progress trap’ like any technology; that I explicitly reject the Unabomber’s actions; and much more. This essay is an exploration of a series of dilemmas, not the statement of some tiresome fixed position. From reading your writings, I can see this might be tricky for you to get your head around.

    By the way, I’m not ‘upper class’. Rather the opposite. It’s in moments like that that your ideological prejudices, and your political mission here, become clear – and dishonest – as day. I wouldn’t mind, but you really ought to stop pretending to be a ‘pragmatist’ when you’re actually a frothing ideologue.

    Still, you did manage to drop in the obligatory reference to racial purity, for which you must be congratulated. James Delingpole would be proud. Although … have you and he ever been seem in the same room at the same time?

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    • Paul: your indignant response is vacuous. If you think I am “unscientific” you need to explain why; if you think I have misunderstood, you need to explain yourself better.
      “I am not a ‘green’ ..” You are a Dark Green anti-humanist.
      “I don’t ‘romanticise the past’” yes, you do:

      BACK TO THE SCYTHE. It’s an ancient piece of technology; tried and tested, improved and honed, literally and metaphorically, over centuries. It’s what the green thinkers of the 1970s used to call an “appropriate technology”—a phrase that I would love to see resurrected—and what the unjustly neglected philosopher Ivan Illich called a “tool for conviviality.” Illich’s critique of technology, like Kaczynski’s, was really a critique of power. Advanced technologies, he explained, created dependency; they took tools and processes out of the hands of individuals and put them into the metaphorical hands of organizations.

      You juxtapose the scythe – an older technology from an earlier, supposedly more convivial age (viz your reference to Illich) -with the de-humanising influence of the computer and more modern technologies.

      “I acknowledge, as you say, that ‘a scythe is a progress trap’ like any technology” – no, see above; you see it as more convivial; you also speak about how it might be correct to call you a hypocrite, and identify with Kaczynski’s eulogy for the countryside and to “get back at the system”; I think you should credit me for having understood your convoluted thought-processes pretty well on this at least: you are afraid that modern technology -not your beloved scythe- may de-humanise you to the extent that you will end up like Kaczynski. Maybe you already have. I did NOT say that you agreed with his means, but you clearly have sympathies for his aims.

      This essay is an exploration of a series of dilemmas, not the statement of some tiresome fixed position. From reading your writings, I can see this might be tricky for you to get your head around.

      I am fully aware of this- that is why your writing is so confused and its very existence self-contradictory. I have adressed this with my ususal flair and panache in the paragraph beginning “I’ve got news for you Mr. Kingsnorth…” It is rather your good self who seems to have difficulty representing my arguments. Your “dilemmas” are nothing more than elitist narcissism. Woe is you! Dilemmas! To use a computer or not! The anguish of it. You will no doubt be tweeting about how awful computers and Twitter are until the day you die.
      ” I’m not ‘upper class’. Rather the opposite.” True- apologies if I have msirepresented your humble origins. But you are aligned with Goldsmith, and if you want a definition of “un-scientific” and “frothing ideologue” I’d say the Ecologist would do well enough.

      Still, you did manage to drop in the obligatory reference to racial purity, for which you must be congratulated. James Delingpole would be proud.

      Why ‘obligatory’? These ideas may not be the ones that you yourself profess, but it is pretty clear where your ideologies are coming from and with which they are aligned. For someone who writes historical novels you seems curiously ignorant of the history from whence you have emerged.
      Re the Delingpole reference, you will be glad to know that you are in the good company of Mr. Lynas in being rather confused.

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  7. Science is an interesting thing, isn’t it? The real scientists I know – people who study and understand and are qualified in and practice science from day to day (unlike either you or Lynas) are questioning people, as a rule. They’re looking for answers, rather than beginning a search convinced that they know what they’ll find. Real science, like real art – and indeed real religion – is a humble thing.

    There’s not a lot of humility on display on this blog. But then, why would there be? This is nothing to do with science – it’s politics, pure and simple. Or, as you would put it, ‘ideology.’ The thing I find most fascinating about neo-greens like you is not political so much as psychological. You are what that great scientist Alan Partridge would call ‘clinically fascinating’. I know Mark Lynas well on a personal level, and it was certainly fascinating to watch his conversion from righteous anarchist to righteous capitalist. Rather like, you, his politics swung 180 degrees but everything else remained the same. So – again, like you – he is now laying into his enemies with the same dishonest, angry, self-righteous and frankly counter-productive zeal he did before. Only now he’s a capitalist anti-anarchist instead of an anarchist anti-capitalist. C’est la vie.

    I would imagine the same is true of Brand, Kareiva and other converts to the new religion of – cough – ‘eco-pragmatism.’ Certainly there’s very little interest in truth on display here – only a missionary zeal, leavened with abuse. I’m sure a therapist would have a field day. Particularly intriguing from my point of view, as a writer, is your belief that you can tell other people what they think and feel. I’ve seen you doing this to others. You’re invariably wrong, as you are here, but it doesn’t seem to stop you.

    Anyway, for some guidance on where you are going wrong, written by an actual scientist as
    opposed to a pretend one, I can recommend Jonathan Haight’s book ‘The Righteous Mind.’ If you read it carefully – which it seems is by no means guaranteed – it may make you think a little about your silly ‘science versus ideology’ confection. Perhaps it might make you a little more willing to listen to others, too, and begin to imagine yourself into their worlds – always a necessity if you’re going to get anywhere as a writer or ‘thinker.’

    Alternatively, I suppose you could just keep flailing away. I suppose you must be getting something out of it. To be honest, though, I’d suggest you contact the commissioning editor of Telegraph Blogs in the UK. They’d snap you up there and you could foam away in great company – James Delingpole, Brendan O’Neill, Norman Tebbitt – and with a far higher readership.

    All the best now,
    Paul

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    • Apart from the book recommendation- thankyou- your comment is some 450 words with zero content- technically, a “load of guff” if you pardon the expression. And then you lazily repeat your obligatory reference to Delingpole (whose views you inevitably misrepresent).
      Your main complaint seems to be that you are misunderstood. You assume that anyone who disagrees is intellectually inferior and only worth your contempt. On this, I think I had yo pretty much right in the OP. You are opaque and perhaps deliberately ambiguous- this is the most generous I can be. But I really dont think I have misunderstood you: you are explicit in your sympathies for Kaczynski. To you, he is a logical end result of the tyranny of techno-capitalism, a “rape of the earth.” But you are part of this as well- the Great Dilemma- and you see no other way out. I am offering you a life-line Paul, there really is a way out: pragmatism, which by definition is not an ideology or a religion, but just what it says on the tin, a pragmatic approach which leaves out the hand-wringing and faux woe-is-me guilt.
      There is nothing original in your position, and it has all been effectively dismantled not by your “right wing think tanks” (yawn) but by Bookchin for example Re-Enchanting Humanity (1995); as I show with Staudenmaier, the history of your ideology reaches back a lot further.
      The first thing you need to do to show that I have misunderstood you is to make a clear, definitive statement that you abhor any kind of violence against scientists- this is no laughing matter as I have said in the post, there were recent bombings against life-science labs in Mexico and many labs around the world require armed guards. Biotech trials by public science are destroyed. Yes, science and technology that could really benefit people and the environment are being held back by people who you at the very least are tipping your hat to. And remember this all started with you joining in a Twitter discussion leaping to the defense of Vandana Shiva who equates growing GE crops with rape. Your response to this is to claim I have no humility and have no science to back my position, which suggests a frightening level of delusion on your part.
      So a few clear, unequivocal statements on your part without the waffle would be useful I think. Please provide scientific references where relevant.

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  8. This is like debating with a speak-your-weight machine. What can be done with a man who thinks that there is ‘no content’ to a piece of writing unless it has ‘scientific references’? Bang goes Shakespeare and Joyce. Still, I suppose that was all ‘woo’ anyway.

    I imagine that your inability to read plain English must be closely linked to this geeky insistence that only ‘science’ carries weight or has content. As I suggested in the essay, this is one of the weirdest and most sinister aspects of the neo-green approach. It begins by (rightly) criticising green pseudo-science but very quickly segues into a claim that the ONLY valid approach to green issues is a scientific one. This effectively excludes morality, ethics, epistemology, culture and politics from the debate – conveniently for you, because those things are complex, value-laden and often subjective. There are no numbers attached to them. But they are the stuff of life.

    The fact that you don’t, or won’t, understand this is your undoing. Haight makes this point well, and he pulls the rug out from under the feet of clumsy ideologues like you using science. But then he is a real scientist, after all – as opposed to a permaculture teacher with a cosy farm and a self-appointed role as spokesman for the Wretched of the Earth ;-)

    Oh, and I didn’t defend Vandana Shiva – that’s something else you’ve got wrong because of your tiresomely prejudiced attraction to assumption-over-content. I don’t particularly like her, and I would not make the same comparison myself. What I was doing was calling out another geeky neo-green for mounting his high horse over her ‘rape’ comment when he was quite happy to accuse greens of being ‘murderers’ for opposing GM. As are you, it seems.

    Now, go and drink some calming tea, old chap. I’m off for lunch, and this time I won’t be back.

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    • Paul: your last comment was not vacant because of lack of science references; it was just vacant. Shakespeare and Joyce would no doubt have been diverting but alas they were also absent.
      May I take the liberty of abbreviating your main complaint as being the charge of “scientism”? This is not a valid one. I completely agree- morality, ethics etc are not the domain of science alone- but even so they are much better served if approached with a scientific foundation.
      But then you invoke Haight- a “real scientist”- to support your case. How he does so is not clear- your reference is to a , worthy Im sure, book of his which can have nothing to say about the specifics of our discussion. I havnt read it but it sounds as if you havent either, or have not taken on board its message- from the blurb:

      He shows why liberals, conservatives, and libertarians have such different intuitions about right and wrong, and he shows why each side is actually right about many of its central concerns. In this subtle yet accessible book, Haidt gives you the key to understanding the miracle of human cooperation, as well as the curse of our eternal divisions and conflicts. If you’re ready to trade in anger for understanding, read The Righteous Mind.

      Are you ready to trade in anger for understanding Paul?
      You cannot use a science to disprove Science, that makes no sense. My request for sci refs. was supposed to be ironic in response to your previous jibes about my lack of scientific understanding- and yet there is no science content at all in your own posts. You deride science and yet invoke it to support your case. This is just what the homeopaths I used to debate with did all the time- tell me “science” is “just another Way of Knowing” and then cite some cherry-picked “study”.

      Oh, and I didn’t defend Vandana Shiva … I don’t particularly like her, and I would not make the same comparison myself. What I was doing was calling out another geeky neo-green for mounting his high horse over her ‘rape’ comment when he was quite happy to accuse greens of being ‘murderers’ for opposing GM. As are you, it seems.

      At last something substantive. Im glad to hear that you would not make the comparison between GMOs and rape that she did. This is a step forward, I welcome this. Why didnt you make this clear in the Twitter discussion back then? It is obvious that people were revolted by her scoring cheap political points at the expense of rape victims, trivializing rape. Yet as I quoted in the post, you also have used the phrase “rape of nature.”
      Now, I cannot find the original Twitter thread, and am happy to stand corrected, but I really dont think anyone used the words “murder” in relation to deaths as a result of GMOs being banned or restricted. If I remember correctly, this issue had not been raised until you entered the fray. Murder would be incorrect of course, but as I explained in the OP, with reference to Steve Savage’s post, there are indeed good reasons to think that there are many thousands of countless deaths as a result of withholding GE technology, as is also true of bans on DDT. This is an issue you studiously ignore because you are blinded by your ideology – you feel only Capitalism, Scientism and the hubris of Progress can be responsible for deaths like this. You are wrong.
      What you need to understand Paul that this is not ideology on my part, but a good example of what science is actually good at- collecting evidence to support or refute a hypothesis. If you have contrary evidence please present it. You cannot wish these difficult issues away by dismissing science as Scientism.

      You continue to accuse me of misrepresenting what you say yet take no care at all to faithfully represent what I say. On Twitter you accuse me of getting my history from “Right-wing think tanks”- yet this was in response to a post based on Staudenmaier’s work, who works for the Institute for Social Ecology, if anything a “Left-wing Think Tank.” You were completely wrong about this- you seem to be just flailing around in the dark hoping to strike a hit. But this is all the more odd when I read your bio and see that you say you are both Left-wing and Right-wing, and dont like -isms. The give-away is your alignment with Deep Ecology- an ideology of pure woo, certainly closer to the eco-fascism and misanthropy I am talking about. I have only just started reading Bookchin, but I would say he effectively demolishes your retarded philosophy in the first few pages- from a LEFT-wing perspective.

      Your repeated chanting pf “Delingpole, Delingpole” is also deeply ironic- you and he share far more in common, on wind power and conservation of the English countryside- than either of you I suspect would be comfortable with.

      You need to condemn Shiva for her vile rape comment- without condemnation, you are in fact defending it, claiming it as no worse than blaming greens for unnecessary deaths: it is worse Paul, far worse.
      And last time I explicitly asked you to distance yourself from Kaczinski and condemn his terrorism- you have avoided doing so. Thus, despite your protestations to the contrary you continue to defend him and align yourself with his evil and warped ideology as well. Shame on you. You are evidently no more competent on morality and ethics than you are on science.

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